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Discussion: Esprit d'Arménie/Armenian Spirit - Savall

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Post by stvnharr November 17, 2012 (1 of 12)
I have just received and listened to this recording. It is one of the most "atmospheric" recordings I have listened to in a long long time. It is simply wonderful. The sounds of the duduks, gambas, vieles, and rebecs, as well as the tambours and a few other instruments will cast their spell on the listener like nothing else.
As I listened to this reocrding, I remembered back to the early 70's and the late night listens on FM radio to Paul Horn's recording "Inside", as in inside the Great Pyramid of Giza.
I love everything Jordi Savall comes up with, and this one especially.
Highly highly highly recommended!!!!

Post by armenian November 18, 2012 (2 of 12)
Yes, that is one of the best.

Jordi Savall has two other recordings that include a number of Armenian selections, one is “Istanbul” and the other is “La Sublime Porte”, these represent the music of the region that include several Middle Eastern countries.

While on the subject of Armenian traditional music the best of all is “Homage a Komitas” on Audite SACD, these are miniature songs for soprano & piano by our most famous composer Komitas.

And finally for a complete survey of Armenian traditional music on RCBD there is a seven volume CD set called “The Music of Armenia” on Celestial Harmonies label, produced by Australian David Parsons.

Vahe

Post by Beagle November 18, 2012 (3 of 12)
And then there's my favourite bio-engineer, Isabel Bayrakdarian: She can be heard on Mahler: Symphony No. 2 - San Francisco/Michael Tilson Thomas, but is featured on a number of CDs, including Joyous Light: Armenian Liturgical Music (CBC Records).

Post by armenian November 18, 2012 (4 of 12)
Beagle said:

including Joyous Light: Armenian Liturgical Music (CBC Records).

The track 16 from that recording is a deeply moving prayer that pretty much sums up our tragic history, a country surrounded by unfriendly neighbors and paying a steep price for being a Christian nation surrounded by Muslims.

Vahe

Post by Beagle November 18, 2012 (5 of 12)
Dear Armenian,

I am pleased that you have Bayrakdarian's Joyous Light disc (but not surprised). Perhaps you can translate Savall's titles for us non-Armenians? Google-translate expects Armenian to be in the Armenian alphabet, which is a bit beyond me.

Beagle
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Menk kadj tohmi
Akna krunk
Kani vur djan im
O'h intsh anush
Matshkal
Dun en glkhen
Garun a
Al aylukhs
en sarer
Azat astvatsn & Ter kedzo
Sirt im sasani
Hayastan yerkir
Hey djan
Hov arek
sev mut amper

Post by armenian November 18, 2012 (6 of 12)
Beagle said:

I am pleased that you have Bayrakdarian's Joyous Light disc (but not surprised). Perhaps you can translate Savall's titles for us non-Armenians? Google-translate expects Armenian to be in the Armenian alphabet, which is a bit beyond me.

Evan for an Armenian some of these are difficult to translate as there are many dialects.

Menk kadj tohmi we are the sons of brave people
Akna krunk (krunk = crane) song of exile-symbol of pain
Kani vur djan im while I am still alive
O'h intsh anush oh how sweet
Matshkal the peasant
Dun en glkhen Can not translate this, the first word Dun means house
Garun a It is spring
Al aylukhs Can not translate this
en sarer those mountains
Azat astvatsn & Ter kedzo ode to freedom and divine blessing
Sirt im sasani my heart is broken
Hayastan yerkir Armenia the homeland
Hey djan hey dear
Hov arek ease my pain
sev mut amper black dark clouds

Post by Beagle November 19, 2012 (7 of 12)
armenian said:

Hey djan hey dear

Hey, I know one word of Armenian: 'Hey'. A decade ago I knew a lovely lady whose last name was Djan-Chékar... what does 'Chékar' translate as?

Thank you very much for the translation effort. I googled 'Al aylukhs' and got 'My scarlet kerchief'; likewise 'Dun en glkhen' got 'You were a wise man'. You have my sympathy in translating dialects and traditional song titles; I was stumped by a simple three-word title in Old Dutch so I asked an old friend who grew up in the Netherlands. He stared at the three words and then said "I have no idea, but I suspect that it is obscene.".

Post by armenian November 20, 2012 (8 of 12)
Beagle said:

Hey, I know one word of Armenian: 'Hey'. A decade ago I knew a lovely lady whose last name was Djan-Chékar... what does 'Chékar' translate as?

Well, you got me again, the first one “Djan” translates “dear”, but the last one translates into something that makes no sense as a persons name “Ch-ekar” translates “did not return”.

There are two basic Armenian dialects, one is the most common and this is what you will hear if you visit Armenia today, the other is commonly called “Turkish-Armenian” dialect, many of these old songs carry their titles in this more ancient Armenian dialect, I do understand this particular dialect but sometimes it’s a struggle.

Vahe

Post by Bobpaule November 27, 2012 (9 of 12)
armenian said:

The track 16 from that recording is a deeply moving prayer that pretty much sums up our tragic history, a country surrounded by unfriendly neighbors and paying a steep price for being a Christian nation surrounded by Muslims.

Vahe

Indeed what a nation:

1. One of the longest continuously recorded written historical record, this is when our ancestors in Europe were still living in dugouts.

2. First Christian nation in the world, 20 years before Rome.

And read this the book in the picture, very moving record, chilling to know that jus mention of the Armenian Genocide in the perpetrator country will still land one legally in jail in the 21st century:(

Deep in Transylvania there are about 25k Armenians, stayed behind on their trade routes criss-crossing Europe over the past 5 centuries.

Post by Euell Neverno November 27, 2012 (10 of 12)
stvnharr said:


As I listened to this reocrding, I remembered back to the early 70's and the late night listens on FM radio to Paul Horn's recording "Inside", as in inside the Great Pyramid of Giza.

Paul Horn's "Inside" was recorded in the Taj Mahal, not the pyramid of Cheops.

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