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Discussion: Mahler: Symphony No. 2 - Rattle

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Post by Chris from Lafayette June 30, 2015 (21 of 34)
Kal Rubinson said:

Nah. Not even close, imho.

(Chuckling) +1

Post by zeus June 30, 2015 (22 of 34)
Luukas said:

I haven't this Japanese SACD version - my review based on the CD version.

Read the review guidelines above, specifically the clause below. Don't waste everybody's time posting reviews of discs here you haven't heard.

1. You must have heard the actual Super Audio CD or Blu-ray Audio disc in entirety on a known system, preferably your own. Your review is assumed to be for the high-resolution layer of hybrid discs. Comments based solely on the CD compatible layer or equivalent CD, DVD-A or download versions (where they exist) aren't pertinent. For multichannel discs, indicate whether your assessment of the Sonics applies to the Stereo or Multichannel mix, or both.

Post by Luukas June 30, 2015 (23 of 34)
I see.

Post by Ubertrout June 30, 2015 (24 of 34)
Kal Rubinson said:

Nah. Not even close, imho.

+2

If we thought using DSP functions was just as good as discrete MCH, we wouldn't be here.

Post by Luukas July 7, 2015 (25 of 34)
According the Warner Music Japan's own website these discs were produced only for stereo, there isn't an multichannel layer. What the packaging - or the discs - says about the sound? If there is somebody who owns this it would be nice to see the packaging design. Just add your own photos.

Post by Claude July 7, 2015 (26 of 34)
I only have this Rattle SACD, as released by EMI Japan (TOGE-11096)

Messiaen: Eclairs Sur L'Au-Dela - Rattle

It's in a regular CD jewel case with a clear plastic inlay, with a normal CD booklet and an obi. Apart from the SACD logos, there is no difference with the usual CD packaging that has existed for the past decades.

Post by Luukas July 7, 2015 (27 of 34)
Claude said:

there is no difference with the usual CD packaging

OK, thanks. Usually the SACDs are packaged in the Super Jewel Cases. But this album contains two discs.
Is there a turning jewel case? I mean that you can turn the inside part upside down. Or are they packaged into the stronger jewel case? The booklet lies between of the discs - in that case there is also an cover inlay. It is quite difficult to explain but I think that you understand what I mean.

Post by deckerm July 7, 2015 (28 of 34)
Can anyone compare the actual performance against the Birmingham recording Rattle did in the late 80's? That was my first introduction to this piece and always struck me as the reference for others to compare against.

edit - I see some comments on the actual SACD review. Disregard unless you have additional comments.

Post by Luukas July 7, 2015 (29 of 34)
deckerm said:

Can anyone compare the actual performance against the Birmingham recording Rattle did in the late 80's?

Hi Mark!
I have that disc - Rattle's earlier approach with the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra - and it was brilliant in many ways. Actually it got the BBC Music Magazine's ESSENTIAL RECORDING of Rattle's Catalogue.
Let's start with the sound quality. I have the original CD version - not the remastered version which was released in the "Great Recordings of the Century" Series - and the sound was pretty nice. Sometimes the distant side - for example in the first movement - was too high: there wasn't enough bass. In that case Rattle's second impression is better.
The interpretation was thrilling here: sometimes Rattle's vision was too heavy - for example the short fourth movement, "Urlicht", loosed its beauty for the slow tempo.
I haven't the Japanese SACD release, I borrowed the normal CD version at the library about four or five months ago.
Summary: This later account is better than the older one.

PS. Try my personal favorite: London Philharmonic Orchestra, Klaus Tennstedt, LPO-0044 (if you already haven't it). :)

Post by hiredfox July 7, 2015 (30 of 34)
SSR's LSO version will be recorded in DSD. Could be worth the wait.

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