Thread: DSD passthrough HDMI - No need for a quality player?

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Post by Disbeliever December 9, 2010 (301 of 371)
Arnaldo said:

I wish you all the luck trying to change the mind of the audio Ayatollahs wandering around this site. They have issued a fatwa allowing the rest of us to enjoy our stereo or direct multi-channel setups, that is, as long as we ultimately acknowledge that our systems can be vastly improved upon with their latest sound-deforming gimmicks.

Actually, these fundamentalists are bound to be very pleased with Audyssey's latest tool, a not so tiny microphone-probe, which once carefully inserted by an Audyssey-approved proctologist, is used to measure and EQ internal colon reflections. They're gonna be in Audyssey-calibrated heaven...

ha. I agree.

Post by Kal Rubinson December 9, 2010 (302 of 371)
This is directed specifically at Disbeliever: You have raised these issues before and I have responded clearly and it seems that the matter is over. Yet, you now raise the issues that have be answered explicitly in the past.

Apparently, on this issue, as on others your biases are impervious and it is pointless to discuss anything with you.

Kal

Post by Disbeliever December 9, 2010 (303 of 371)
Kal Rubinson said:

This is directed specifically at Disbeliever: You have raised these issues before and I have responded clearly and it seems that the matter is over. Yet, you now raise the issues that have be answered explicitly in the past.

Apparently, on this issue, as on others your biases are impervious and it is pointless to discuss anything with you.

Kal

i was responding to fitzcaldo 215 and also do not agree with your point of view.

Post by Fitzcaraldo215 December 10, 2010 (304 of 371)
Disbeliever said:

i was responding to fitzcaldo 215 and also do not agree with your point of view.

Kal's right. The issue was discussed before many times at length. Why bring it up again and again and again and again, unless you have some irrational and compulsive vendetta? And, once again, where are all the negative comments on the web supporting your view? The answer is they are not there.

Last night, another audiophile just drank the Kool Aid. He bought my Integra 80.1 prepro after a week long audition in his system determining exactly what Audyssey could or could not do in his fairly exotic system. Though he has been an audiophile for decades and attends frequent concerts (unlike you), he found Audyssey to be revelatory. I guess he's just another lemming in the stampeed to inferior Audyssey sound.

I do not know who this Keywood character is, how he measured or how he reached his conclusions. Frankly, I do not care. Why should anyone believe him any more than you?

I think you and Keywood need to make your anti-Audyssey protest signs and hold your own sit-in to alert the world to the absolute truth as you know it to be. For something constructive to do in the UK that would advance your agenda, you could go down to your local Jaguar dealer to protest their inclusion of Audyssey in the sound system of their very best XJ sedan. Those idiots obviously do not know terrible sound when they hear it.

Post by Ian S December 10, 2010 (305 of 371)
Fitzcaraldo215 said:

He bought my Integra 80.1 prepro

Just out of interest, what did you replace it with?

Post by Ian S December 10, 2010 (306 of 371)
Kal Rubinson said:

http://www.stereophile.com/musicintheround

I clicked on the above link in your profile. Just goes to a general Stereophile page.

Should it now be: http://www.stereophile.com/category/music-round/

Post by Kal Rubinson December 10, 2010 (307 of 371)
Ian S said:

I clicked on the above link in your profile. Just goes to a general Stereophile page.

Should it now be: http://www.stereophile.com/category/music-round/

Yes. They just updated the website and a new link is in effect. I am progressively updating my sigs and links.

Kal

Post by Fitzcaraldo215 December 10, 2010 (308 of 371)
Ian S said:

Just out of interest, what did you replace it with?

I got an Integra DHC 80.2, principally to upgrade to the newest Audyssey MultEQ XT/32. It's an improvement, principally in the range of 80 - 500 Hz. Post-calibration response is now aboout +/- 0.5 db in that range, whereas it used to be +/- about 2 dB with the 80.1. This was in my room which pre-calibration is about +/- 5 to 6 dB full range. XT/32 sounds noticeably better in that mid-bass to low midrange. There is a beautiful richness of detail that was not quite there before in those important musical frequencies. Most people would consider the difference subtle, but it is clearly there upon careful listening.

The room of my friend who bought my 80.1 exhibited pre-calibration response of about +/- 10 to 12 dB. That has been tamed to the same +/- 2 to 2.5 dB response I was getting. His Swiss-made Piega towers and Alon Subwoofer now sound quite dramatically improved, which is much more important than the measurements. He is a very, very happy man, as am I.

This pre- and post-calibration experience is quite similar to other friends who have instead used the similar Anthem ARC on a D2V. Collectively, we have yet to encounter a room that did not exhibit response swings of at least +/- 5 dB prior to calibration, and usually a fair bit more. As I have said before, audiophiles have no clue whatsoever as to what their rooms are doing to the sound of their often very expensive equipment. But, ignorance is bliss.

Note that I was using PC-based Audyssey Pro in both cases, which measures and controls the calibration more accurately and flexibly than does the Audyssey calibration built-in to the prepro. The working DSP Audyssey software used when listening is the same, however, with or without Pro.

I had sent my post-calibration graphs to disbeliever, who continues to disbelieve everything other than his own compulsive mind games will allow.

Post by ~~Phil~~ December 11, 2010 (309 of 371)
Fitzcaraldo215 said:

I think you and Keywood need to make your anti-Audyssey protest signs and hold your own sit-in to alert the world to the absolute truth as you know it to be. For something constructive to do in the UK that would advance your agenda, you could go down to your local Jaguar dealer to protest their inclusion of Audyssey in the sound system of their very best XJ sedan. Those idiots obviously do not know terrible sound when they hear it.

Very well put Fitzcaraldo215...

I've had a several people come by to hear my Audyssey setup only to comment on how focused and balanced the sound is...typical responses have been: amazing, unbelievable, super sound..etc, etc...

So in addition to Jaguar, the IMAX corporation announced it is now incorporating Audyssey technology into there movie theaters. This is a just where the future of audio is going... I think only time well tell, however I see this only growing from here. As anyone can clearly see, the internet is just loaded with so much overwhelming positive feedback from actual Audyssey users...(and not people reading some bs review and then calling it "utterly useless" - yeah right, sure...)

So yes, Disbeliever you can bury your head in the sand for as long as you want, but I'm with the rest of the world that is moving forward and fully enjoying my Audyssey setup... Technology is a great thing..!!

Post by Disbeliever December 11, 2010 (310 of 371)
I am being attacked, misquoted, words twisted , & maligned by Fitzcalrado 215,(an Audyssey fanatic) My only reference to Audyssey has been factual on the Onkyo receiver 706 & by Noel Keywood on the Onkyo NR-1007 we both found Audyssey on these particular receivers to be detrimental. Fitzcalrado questions Noel Keywood's credentials, who he says I regard as Gospel possibly in the same way that Fitz regards Kal as Gospel. Noel was originally for many years a highly regarded reviewer with Hi-Fi New & RR , he left to found Hi-Fi World Magazine as Publisher & first Editor. TESTING: to ensure the upmost accuracy in our product reviews, Hi-Fi World has comphensive in-house test facilities, our test equipment from Rhode & Schwartz & Hewlett Packard-is amongst the most advanced in the world. Loudspeakers are measured using a calibrated Bruel & Kjaer microphone feeding a Clio-based computer analyser, using pulsed and gated sinewaves, in a LARGE room to elimanate the room's influence. Pickup arm vibration is measured with a B & K accelerometer. No other UK magazine has in-house testing, and none has access to such advanced tests across all types of equipment. That's why you can depend on Hi-Fi World reviews.

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