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Discussion: Respighi: Roman Trilogy - Neschling

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Post by bissie March 23, 2011 (111 of 193)
Disbeliever said:

Quite frankly I do not like it in MCH , I may give it one more listen before donating it to my local Charity Shop. Have sent for the Reiner version for comparison. I am beginning to think that DSD may be right re some of BIS discs.although I am not complaining re lack of bass, an interesting disc is BIS SACD - 1676 Kalevi Aho Symphony No. 12 movement 1 : (The Shamans) Lahti Symp. Orch. John Storgards - conductor. the bass on this one will really give your woofers a work out.

Thanks for your edit. The first version was decidedly unnice.

Robert

Post by DSD March 26, 2011 (112 of 193)
Disbeliever said:

... BIS SACD - 1676 Kalevi Aho Symphony No. 12 ... the bass on this one will really give your woofers a work out.

Disbeliever thanks for the suggestion, I just purchased and downloaded it from BIS' eClassical.com sounds pretty exciting so far. Will let you know my opinion in the correct Aho tread when I have listened a couple of times.

Post by sunnydaler April 27, 2011 (113 of 193)
http://classiqueinfo-disque.com/Respighi-comme-une-carte-postale.html (French)
“manque de folie, manque de caractère, une honnête croisière en terrain connu.”

Post by Links August 15, 2011 (114 of 193)
Yes I agree that this is a wonderful recording.
Just one quibble about balance however.
The 25 bar organ tune (beginning at rehearsal #36 in the Feste Romane score)
is a little too far back in the mix for me.
I have recorded this piece twice, and perhaps having a real Wurlitzer handling this
I am a but spoiled.

Post by AmonRa August 15, 2011 (115 of 193)
These works deserve a powerfull organ with solid low bass. On many recordings it is recorded somewhere else, as not many concert halls have good and large pipe organs. On this BIS recording the organ is not as big as I would like it. There is no note on the booklet about it, so I suppose it is the hall organ.

Post by Orpheus May 2, 2012 (116 of 193)
If you want some bass that will really shake the place, try track 2 of the ABC Classics CD French Organ Concertos, ABC 432529-2. For my font speakers I have Infinity IRS Betas with four 12" servo controlled woofers per side and I can turn up the bass level as much as I like on the electronic crossover. Turning the bass level up really high on this CD readily shakes the place with very low tuneful bass from the organ. But there are some SACDs on which I have to turn the bass level way back to normal eg Telarc SACD-60660, Britten's Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra.

Post by gonzostick May 7, 2012 (117 of 193)
There is NO pipe organ in the Sala Sao Paulo. I have an MD friend in Sao Paulo, and there is NO permanent pipe organ in that hall, which was built into a train station built by coffee barons at the height of the Brazilian coffee empire.

The electronic instrument can be heard in other RBCD recordings done by BIS in that hall, including Festa das Igrejas, by Francisco Mignone.

Unless an electronic or digital instrument has enough amp power or enough bass speakers, it simply, due to physics, cannot move air in enough quantities to do what an instrument like the one in Chicago Symphony Hall, Disney Hall, or Boston Symphony Hall can do.

That is what makes the electronic in Heinz Hall in Pittsburgh so awful. The pipes in the pictures are dummies, put there by the electronic builder. Baldwin, Rodgers, and other have faked pipe displays in front of speaker grill cloths, for years. This also happens in churches that replace pipe organs with electronics. Some of the pipes are installed over grill cloth and painted to suit decorators.

So, the instrument in Sao Paulo is electronic and needs MORE speakers, amp power, and someone to really calibrate it for the hall. I once watched a very fine digital organ being calibrated for a concert hall and that instrument was really able to move air. This one is just not powerful enough, hence the lack of presence in the 32 foot pipe range.

32 foot pipes are just huge, efficient whistles, which speak with infrasonic voices. Ranks of such pipes are prohibitively expensive, but no real concert pipe organ in a concert hall can be without them.

Post by Windsurfer May 7, 2012 (118 of 193)
gonzostick said:


32 foot pipes are just huge, efficient whistles, which speak with infrasonic voices. Ranks of such pipes are prohibitively expensive, but no real concert pipe organ in a concert hall can be without them.

+ 1 !

Post by AmonRa May 7, 2012 (119 of 193)
One 32' principal pipe made of tin: €20000

Post by gonzostick May 7, 2012 (120 of 193)
Yes... Check out the pictures of the Disney Hall Organ, which has CURVED 32 foot pipes in the façade. You can find those on the Internet, just Google them.

That instrument cost a small fortune, but it can really support the LA Philharmonic in full cry, AND has softer 32 foot stops, too.

YES, one complete set of pipes for a pedal division in a pipe organ at 32 foot level are horribly expensive, AND they must have enough air supply to move the air in the full acoustic space occupied by the sound of the orchestra, otherwise, they are pointless. That is where voicing of the organ, where the air flow and acoustic characteristics of each pipe are adjusted, are so incredibly important.

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