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Post by stvnharr July 27, 2010 (1551 of 4131)
Hello,
All this discussion of the Bach Cantatas happened overnight while I was sleeping.
Well, I have most all of them. I started with the sacd releases, when they started happening. And I kept up with the releases until the Anniversary box sets came into being last year. I have just finished with box three. It takes some time to listen to 10 cd's worth of cantatas, even if you listen to one a day. Now I can begin catching up on the releases that came in the past few months.
I love these discs! They are fantastic!

Steve

PS. Robert, I did make a mention of Yevgeny Sudbin here, just after I heard him in concert, briefly spoke to him, had him sign cd, and said I would write of how much I enjoyed the concert.

Post by Domimag July 27, 2010 (1552 of 4131)
bissie said:

Cher Domimag,

votr'anglais est absolument suffisant. Ne craignez-vous rien d'autre !

- Thank you. We probably will record them also in SACD.
- Number 55
- This I don't know. I must check.
- Oh yes. He already has recorded lots of other vocal music for us.
- Haydn quartets. No, that's too big a project that would take up too much of our capacity. We have lots of newly recorded Haydn on SACD, though, with another one coming in 2 weeks.
- The original was recorded - experimentally, remember, this was in 1999 - in Surround. We extracted the "best" parts onto that SACD. I am not sure whether we recorded everything, like Recitativos, in Surround, thus I don't know if we have the whole Passion thusly. I fear not.

Robert

Thanks Bissie.

Thanks for advance if you record the secular cantatas in SACD. It would end beautifully a very great serie !

55 ! I suppose Suzuki and BIS live with this project during 17 years about if we consider you'll end in 2012 (+ the secular ones). That deserves a great respect and show the serious and the quality of BIS.

best regards - Dominique.

Post by bissie July 27, 2010 (1553 of 4131)
flyingdutchman said:

I think it would be interesting as a thread Robert. Are you planning on issuing them in the end as a set? SACD, of course.

In the fullness of time we will issue all the Bach Church Cantatas as boxed set(s), however, the first 27 volumes are not recorded as SACD:s. I cannot even for sure say how many are recorded in 24-bit. Therefore I can see no point in releasing them as SACD:s.
Then, if I release the whole lot as a "mixed" Box, I am going to get slated, quartered and drawn.
Maybe 2 Boxes is the answer; 1-27 in one RBCD and 28-55 in the other, as SACD. In a way we're "lucky" that the change came precisely in mid-stream.

Suggestions, anyone?

Robert

Post by seth July 27, 2010 (1554 of 4131)
bissie said:

May I ask a question?

Is there on this Forum anyone that is interested in the fact that we, since Vol 28, have released every volume on the almost-finished Bach Cantata Series with the BCJ as MCh SACD:s?

For me I get the impression (if I may generalize) that most people on this Forum are interested in big juicy orchestral works, not so much Baroque music or chamber music. Just the lack of interest in Martin Fröst's new incredible show-off Encore SACD or the Brahms Cello Sonatas or Sharon Bezaly's new flute SACD (with Ronald Brautigam) seem to point in that direction. When did anyone discuss Sudbin - one of the few really great living pianists - last? And we get a hiding, because we have the temerity to release Britten String Quartets as SACD. Why?

Robert:

I've been collecting Gardiner's recordings of the cantatas for many years; I cannot afford to start buying a second cycle.

I've been buying your solo piano recordings by Brautigam, Sudbin and Kempf.

Your recent chamber recordings haven't interested much, such as the Bezaly's new flute SACD or the Britten string quartets. I'd like to see some recordings of Ravel and Debussy chambers works -- both have a number of works that don't get recorded much, like Ravel's Introduction and allegro and Tzigane.

Post by krisjan July 27, 2010 (1555 of 4131)
I have little interest in Baroque music for what its worth.

Post by Windsurfer July 27, 2010 (1556 of 4131)
krisjan said:

I have little interest in Baroque music for what its worth.

Seth said:

Your recent chamber recordings haven't interested [Windsurfer's edit:(me)] much, such as the Bezaly's new flute SACD or the Britten string quartets.

Krisjan,

Me either, but I am not sure, in this context, why one should bother to say so. ??

With respect to and disagreeing with Seths comment above, The disc of Britten string quartets is high on my list of things to get. (Oh yes!) So are BIS-SACD-1459, 1729, and 1429 and 1559. I am not so big on flute music BTW, but I am big on Bezaly's way with the instrument, and her repertoire choices are intriguing! :)

As I think I said in an earlier post, What makes BIS great is the adventuresome repertoire it supports!

Thank you Robert!

Post by krisjan July 27, 2010 (1557 of 4131)
Windsurfer said:

Krisjan,

Me either, but I am not sure, in this context, why one should bother to say so. ??

Because Bissie asked in his post who would be interested in this repertoire on SACD.

Post by Windsurfer July 27, 2010 (1558 of 4131)
krisjan said:

Because Bissie asked in his post who would be interested in this repertoire on SACD.

Mea Culpa!

Post by music1 July 27, 2010 (1559 of 4131)
bissie said:
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Is there on this Forum anyone that is interested in the fact that we, since Vol 28, have released every volume on the almost-finished Bach Cantata Series with the BCJ as MCh SACD:s?
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we might be doing the 11 volumes of secular cantatas as RBCD and concentrate on other repertoire for SACD.

For me I get the impression (if I may generalize) that most people on this Forum are interested in big juicy orchestral works, not so much Baroque music or chamber music. Just the lack of interest in Martin Fröst's new incredible show-off Encore SACD or the Brahms Cello Sonatas or Sharon Bezaly's new flute SACD (with Ronald Brautigam) seem to point in that direction. When did anyone discuss Sudbin - one of the few really great living pianists - last? And we get a hiding, because we have the temerity to release Britten String Quartets as SACD. Why?
..

I have collected the cantatas since volume 28 and have recently bought the other 27 in the three RBCD boxes - the latter amazingly good value. I also collect the Kuijken series on Accent.
If the BIS/Suzuki secular cantatas appear on RBCD I probably will not bother with them.

I have enjoyed the recent Britten quartet disc, very good, but because I am unfamiliar with these pieces I am not sure how good! Please give us more chamber music, for me the sound benefits immensely from SACD, especially when the strings are close - less of that horrible grating that RBCD string sound can have. However, when you do release more chamber music, please make sure they are from top rate artists - in chamber music anything less shows up.
Note Praga who are producing a lot of very good chamber music and most is excellent. I did not buy the BIS Brahms cello sonatas because I already have the works on SACD and the audible breathing on the BIS recording put me off making another acquisition of the works. The Fröst disc did not inspire me becuase it seemed to be just bits and experience has shown that I never play these discs.

The Bezaly/Brautigam disc is of course marvelously well played but I do wish there was more instrumental variation in the pieces selected - a whole disc of flute and piano can be a bit much - some solo piano or flute or something else entirely would make a more satisfying disc.

But maybe the lack of interest in chamber music on this forum is typical of the mainstream, presumably most sales in any format are always of the orchestral repertory, especially the well known pieces. For me I would like more chamber music but with well balanced programs.

Your recent Tamberg and Aho RBCDs are both excellent, wish they were SACD of course.

By the way does Ronald Brautigam play Schubert? His Beethoven is so good that I have often thought that some Schubert sonatas from him would be very interesting - though he probably already has enough to do with finishing the Beethoven series and he is only just embarking on the Mozart concertos.

Post by Cicero July 27, 2010 (1560 of 4131)
We need more chamber music on SACD, rather than just the orchestral blockbusters, as all great music benefits from the high-rez treatment. Britten's string quartets are great music, period. They deserve the very best. I listen in stereo and find the SACD layer often superior to the RBCD layer, even with small-scale music such as string quartet or piano. Besides, there are several very good Britten string quartet cycles around, but BIS' is the only one on SACD, which was one among several decisive factors why I, for one, have ordered the BIS recording.

I feel very much the same about Suzuki's Bach cantata cycle. I own almost all of the individual issues, both on RBCD and SACD, and the fact that the later ones are issued as SACDs is one important factor (among others!) in my preference of Suzuki to the plethora of other cantata cycles before the public. As a result, I would be disappointed if the secular cantatas were issued as RBCDs only.

I understand, however, that large-scale orchestral music is easier to market and sell than chamber or piano music, or intimate Baroque music. As a subscriber to both my local symphony orchestra and a chamber music series I know where the wider public's preferences lie.

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