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Discussion: Grieg: Peer Gynt suites 1 & 2, Sibelius: Pelleas et Melisande - Karajan

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Post by fausto K January 13, 2015 (1 of 40)
under recording info, it says analogue. Not true. This was an early digital recording - I have the 1983 RBCD and it's clearly indicated that it's digitally recorded. I don't see the added value of issuing it on SACD

Post by Clavicembalisticum January 13, 2015 (2 of 40)
fausto K said:

under recording info, it says analogue. Not true. This was an early digital recording - I have the 1983 RBCD and it's clearly indicated that it's digitally recorded. I don't see the added value of issuing it on SACD

Aside from accurately reproducing the early digital glare, I can't think of any. If the original master tape were analog and they had access to it, not some digital dub, then it might sound pretty good on SACD.

Post by Daland January 14, 2015 (3 of 40)
It's definitely a digital recording. These works show Karajan at his best, but the price for this "SACD" is prohibitive. I won't pay 85 EUR for it (amazon.de).

By the way, the CD Japan link takes you to a different recording (Finlandia etc.).

Post by Chris from Lafayette January 14, 2015 (4 of 40)
fausto K said:

under recording info, it says analogue. Not true. This was an early digital recording - I have the 1983 RBCD and it's clearly indicated that it's digitally recorded. I don't see the added value of issuing it on SACD

I couldn't agree more: taking a recording limited to RB CD-spec bit depths and sampling rates, and upsampling it to a hi-rez format will not automatically (by some magical process) transform that recording into hi-rez. Of course there may be other aspects of the remastering process that might improve the sound, but the recording itself will never be hi-rez.

Post by fausto K January 14, 2015 (5 of 40)
Sneakily, they have removed the diagonal in the right corner on the cover indicating "digital recording", which is on the original cd [and most likely also on the LP, given how proudly digital was announced as superior to analogue back then -- and of course it is :-)]; I don't know whether they have also removed the indication "Digital-Aufnahme" on the back cover. From 1981, most if not all von Karajan's recordings on DG were digital. So among the new remasters, all those from 1981 onwards are most likely based on the digital tapes (unless, of course, analogue tapes were run concurrently). However, one can recognize the digital recordings from the analogue ones, also apparently on these Japanese remasters, by the indication "numérique" or "Digital-Aufnahme" underneath the yellow banner with the title. As a rule of thumb: only if it says merely "Stereo", one can assume the recording is from before 1981 and hence analogue (although maybe still ADD).

Post by AmonRa January 15, 2015 (6 of 40)
Chris from Lafayette said:

Of course there may be other aspects of the remastering process that might improve the sound, but the recording itself will never be hi-rez.

Same thing can be said of all analogue tape recordings. In all aspects of sound quality they are inferior to CD, even early CD.

If it is possible to make a MCH remaster, then ok.

Post by rammiepie January 15, 2015 (7 of 40)
AmonRa said:

Same thing can be said of all analogue tape recordings. In all aspects of sound quality they are inferior to CD, even early CD.

If it is possible to make a MCH remaster, then ok.

AmonRa, if Meridian can get their new MQA (Master Quality Authenticated) off the ground with their newest encode decode system, 16 and 24 bit MASTER files will be given a new lease on life....in ways unimagined previously!

Read about it at Audiophile Audition under "News:" January 13, 2015.

Also a huge hit at CES.

I will hear a demo of it next week at Meridian's SoHo showroom in NYC.

Post by AmonRa January 15, 2015 (8 of 40)
I guess you just have to buy it, then, Rammipie.

What there is in a 16 or 24 bit master file IS what it there is, no fancy acronym can change that.

What Meridian is trying is to push another (slightly lossy) compression system on gullible public. This time with a light showing you are hearing "authenticated" sound.

Gimme the master file instead, please.

Post by nydo January 15, 2015 (9 of 40)
Philips did record an analog version of the Sibelius a couple of years before the Karajan that I much prefer, with Zinman and Rotterdam, and the sound is better than a lot of the Philips from that time as well. It would be interesting for me to see that on sacd, as it hasn't even been released on cd, though the flip side of the lp (Faure Pelleas suite) has.

Post by rammiepie January 15, 2015 (10 of 40)
AmonRa said:

I guess you just have to buy it, then, Rammipie.

What there is in a 16 or 24 bit master file IS what it there is, no fancy acronym can change that.

What Meridian is trying is to push another (slightly lossy) compression system on gullible public. This time with a light showing you are hearing "authenticated" sound.

Gimme the master file instead, please.

That's the point, AmonRa. An Audio critic who attended this year's CES Meridian demonstration 'ecstatically' stated that he heard details in the master files of Steely Dan's Gaucho and the original 16 bit DDD master files of Dire Strait's Brothers In Arms that he never EVER heard before in ANY medium.

Magic, No......Meridian, YES!

BTW, the MQA decode device is $300 from Meridian..........but I suppose YOU could buy a lot of "Wet String" for that kind of 'gelt.'

But in order for this to 'fly' naturally it has to be with the cooperation of the various record companies and you know how that works?

Having lived through the various encode/decode era of Dolby, DBX and then HDCD, etc., one does develop a healthy skepticism when another encode/decode format is announced but I have a feeling this is going to be something VERY special.

Would REALLY love to hear the Von Karajan DDD 16 bit MASTER FILES encoded/decoded using this process before transfer to SHM~SACD. 'Might' very well surprise EVERYBODY...including a 'seasoned skeptic' like yourself!

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