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Discussion: Carlos Kleiber: Complete orchestral recordings on Deutsche Grammophon

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Post by ramesh August 11, 2014 (1 of 12)
Apparently the BDA includes the Brahms 4, though this is a very early digital recording. [ I found the DVD of the Brahms 4 from the early 90s, where Kleiber conducted the Bavarian RSO, more impressive as an interpretation and in better sound.]

It appears the doco by John Tolansky is audio-only, presumably similar to his tributes included in some of the EMI Icons CD bargain box sets.

DG have just released this set on vinyl, 'Every LP to be remastered at Optimal from original analogue sources [] pressings from Optimal will be on 180 g vinyl stock [] original LP front and back covers.'

Post by Lute August 11, 2014 (2 of 12)
The reviews on amazon mention a 5.0 mix. John Fowler's review says:

"You get a choice of 2 channel sound or 5 channel surround:
2.0 LPCM 24-bit/96 kHz - or
5.0 DTS HDMA 24-bit/96 kHz

The surround sound is remixed from the master tape.
The two channel option faithfully reproduces the original master tape approved by Carlos Kleiber."

I wonder if the Brahms and Schubert come in a 5.0 mix.

Post by Ubertrout August 13, 2014 (3 of 12)
So Universal releases a stereo-only Blu-Ray of Beethoven: Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7 - Kleiber, and then release all three discs like this, with the surround track at its PCM source resolution, at a price point not that much higher than the aforementioned disc. Is HFPA dead, or does the right hand just not know what the left hand is doing?

Post by nucaleena August 13, 2014 (4 of 12)
Ubertrout said:

Is HFPA dead....

A new acronym to me, - what does it mean, please?

Post by Ubertrout August 13, 2014 (5 of 12)
nucaleena said:

A new acronym to me, - what does it mean, please?

High Fidelity Pure Audio...Universal's recent line of Blu-ray audio releases. The Kleiber Beethoven 5/7 that I linked to was a HFPA release. I do not believe that the boxset is.

Post by Claude August 14, 2014 (6 of 12)
Lute said:

The reviews on amazon mention a 5.0 mix. John Fowler's review says:

"You get a choice of 2 channel sound or 5 channel surround:
2.0 LPCM 24-bit/96 kHz - or
5.0 DTS HDMA 24-bit/96 kHz

The surround sound is remixed from the master tape.
The two channel option faithfully reproduces the original master tape approved by Carlos Kleiber."

If the discs have surround sound indeed (why doesn't the Universal product page mention this?), how was this done? From a multichannel recording or artificially generated?

Post by Lute August 14, 2014 (7 of 12)
Claude said:

If the discs have surround sound indeed (why doesn't the Universal product page mention this?), how was this done? From a multichannel recording or artificially generated?

That is exactly what I was wondering. The reviews are a bit ambiguous about the 5.0 mix, aren't they? (Thankfully, we have sites like this one that get into the nitty-gritty :)

Of course I am all for keeping the integrity of the original recording intact, but... as a Mch aficionado, I am also all for giving producers & engineers a bit of leeway in creating a new surround mix.

Post by nucaleena August 14, 2014 (8 of 12)
Ubertrout said:

High Fidelity Pure Audio...Universal's recent line of Blu-ray audio releases.

Thanks for that.

Post by SteelyTom August 14, 2014 (9 of 12)
Ubertrout said:

So Universal releases a stereo-only Blu-Ray of Beethoven: Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7 - Kleiber, and then release all three discs like this, with the surround track at its PCM source resolution, at a price point not that much higher than the aforementioned disc. Is HFPA dead, or does the right hand just not know what the left hand is doing?

Given that the orchestral recordings, especially the Beethoven, have had multiple hi-res reissues in the recent past, let's have Kleiber's Tristan recording, or his Trav or Freischutz.

Post by Ubertrout August 14, 2014 (10 of 12)
Well, we already have Verdi: La Traviata - Kleiber (and it's still in print).

As for the multichannel sources, it's hard to know for sure, but it's probably a straight copy of the (extremely OOP) DVD-A. There's the SACD version still widely available, which is sourced from that. I have no clue about the Schubert recordings, although they were done in 1978, doubtless to 16 or 24 track analog. The Brahms 4 was early digital and if it is in surround, it is likely artificial.

Either way, I have the discs on order and will report back.

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