Thread: Should SA-CD.net take Blu-Ray Audio on board?

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Post by audioholik March 20, 2014 (281 of 352)
canonical said:

Who you kidding? It's basically just another external DAC - among thousands that already exist ... and doomed to fail compared to iPods / iPhones / iPads etc. Come on audioholic ... name one thing it does that is new?

Canonical, you're failing (intentionally?) to see the bigger picture here, and Pono is definitely more than just a new portable player... it's first and foremost a new download store in which all major labels will be offering studio quality content. From what I know, 16/44.1 files will be the lowest quality files offered in the store.

Post by canonical March 20, 2014 (282 of 352)
audioholik said:

Canonical, you're failing (intentionally?) to see the bigger picture here, and Pono is definitely more than just a new portable player... it's first and foremost a new download store in which all major labels will be offering studio quality content. From what I know, 16/44.1 files will be the lowest quality files offered in the store.

Wow - a new download store! Bowl me over.

The world is replete with download stores. Who cares if there is another one?

Post by canonical March 20, 2014 (283 of 352)
Anyway - I really don't understand why you (audioholik) think this has ANYTHING to do with CD ... because it plainly has nothing to do with CD. No-one is going to give up buying physical formats because of Pono. Pono is all about dividing up the existing market for downloads. And one only has to think about it for 2 minutes to realise it is going to flop:

1. FOR THE PORTABLE MARKET: (a) people don't care about quality particularly; (b) they all already have iPhones, or iPads or iPods or Android devices. Even the market for iPods is massively dwindling, because there is no need for it anymore - just chuck your music on your phone or iPad. The Pono is too bulky to use as a portable device, and who is going to cart one around in addition to their phone? No market here. Clumsy tiny display ... looks like something out of the 1980s.

2. FOR THE DESKTOP MARKET: there are 1001 USB DACs that do everything the Pono does ... and more. Better, cheaper, and offering DSD (which the Pono does not do). And there are dozens of download stores that offer hi-res content.

What's new here? --- nothing. It's an overpriced DAC that won't sell to the portable market, and offers nothing new for the desktop market. Will need more than a kickstart.

Post by audioholik March 20, 2014 (284 of 352)
canonical said:

Wow - a new download store! Bowl me over.

The world is replete with download stores. Who cares if there is another one?

Look, RBCD has witnessed double-digit drops in sales, year by year, for the last 10 years or so. The launch of Pono download store will only speed up its decline.

Post by audioholik March 20, 2014 (285 of 352)
canonical said:

And there are dozens of download stores that offer hi-res content.

What's new here?

But those are mostly specialist niche labels, we haven't heretofore seen major labels joining the cause en masse.

That's what 's new.

Post by canonical March 20, 2014 (286 of 352)
> Look, RBCD has witnessed double-digit drops in sales, year by year, for the last 10 years or so. The launch of Pono download store will only speed up its decline

After 14 years of downloads, physical formats still command more than 50% of total music industry revenues. They will be with us forever ... even the LP is still around .., and now amazingly growing again.

The other 50% of music revenue (the non-physical side) is made up of every possible form of ecommerce you can think of: downloads, streaming, youtube ad revenue, mobile phone ring tones, digital performance rights blah blah ... all combined together.

According to the latest stats, in Europe, physical sales are stabilising. In France, physical sales actually increased in 2014. Meanwhile, dear old download sales ... already around for 14 years ... are at best stagnant, and in decline in most countries, with streaming on the up.

Sorry - Pono downloads == wrong format at the wrong time. Maybe if they offered a hi-res streaming device ... it might have a chance in hell. I doubt it will make any dent on the download market, and it will be totally insignificant to physical sales ... because it does not compete with physical sales.

Post by audioholik March 20, 2014 (287 of 352)
canonical said:

After 14 years of downloads, physical formats still command more than 50% of total music industry revenues.

In other words, lowly mp3s pretty much took 50% of the market share from the CD.

And now Neil Young is about to step it up for downloads with his Pono lossless & hi-res store...

Things aren't looking too good for RBCD...........

Post by canonical March 20, 2014 (288 of 352)
Things aren't looking too good for downloads:

From the latest IFPI 2014 Digital Music Report report:

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% of internet users using:
* music subscriptions (light green) and
* download services (dark green)
in the last 6 months
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Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui August 13, 2014 (289 of 352)
tailspn said:

The primary reason for that visceral preference is because "single bit" (Pulse Density Modulation 1-bit two level (DSD)) is actually analog, not digital. PCM is a discrete sample digital VALUE, repeated at some sample rate, of points in time of an analog signal. DSD is a VALUELESS continuous modulation of a bit clock, who's resulting DENSITY is proportional to the amplitude of an analog signal.

The end result is most listeners just "feel" a DSD recording is more analog; more like their life's sub-conscious experience of what sounds realistic.

BD is all PCM.

DSD ; Tom knows what he's talking about—see his User Details or, indeed, [re]read this Thread's ensuing conversation and debate with Fitzcaraldo215 from Post #36 on.


Ultimate outcome, of course, /showthread/116563//y?page=first

Post by Euell Neverno August 13, 2014 (290 of 352)
tailspn said:

The primary reason for that visceral preference is because "single bit" (Pulse Density Modulation 1-bit two level (DSD)) is actually analog, not digital.

Bunk !

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