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Discussion: Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 etc. - Nelson Freire

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Post by Beagle January 8, 2006 (1 of 30)
I am not deeply committed to the music of Chopin, nor of Liszt, but they both have their necessary place in the vast panorama of music-making, and the piano certainly would not be the same without them. That said, let me note that I picked this disc up half-price, and would've cheerfully paid full price, for the spacious solo piano sound it contains. Some would no doubt pronounce it 'overly reverberant', but let her reverb, I say. It's georgeous sound, inspired playing and -- the jolliest Funeral March ever. I don't know who died, but they're carrying out the coffin with undisguised glee.

Post by nickc January 8, 2006 (2 of 30)
Beagle said:

I am not deeply committed to the music of Chopin, nor of Liszt, but they both have their necessary place in the vast panorama of music-making, and the piano certainly would not be the same without them. That said, let me note that I picked this disc up half-price, and would've cheerfully paid full price, for the spacious solo piano sound it contains. Some would no doubt pronounce it 'overly reverberant', but let her reverb, I say. Its georgeous sound, inspired playing and -- the jolliest Funeral March ever. I don't know who died, but they're carrying out the coffin with undisguised glee.

Hi Beagle
as a pianist I would say that although there is "greater" (whatever that means!) piano music - eg Beethoven - to me Chopin and Debussy are the two composers that wrote the most "idiomatically" or beautifully if you will for the piano.
By the way when are we going to get a good new recording of the Debussy preludes!!
Cheers
Nick

Post by Peter January 9, 2006 (3 of 30)
nickc said:

Hi Beagle
as a pianist I would say that although there is "greater" (whatever that means!) piano music - eg Beethoven - to me Chopin and Debussy are the two composers that wrote the most "idiomatically" or beautifully if you will for the piano.
By the way when are we going to get a good new recording of the Debussy preludes!!
Cheers
Nick

I seem to remember Freire is recording the Brahms concerti in Leipzig with Chailly for Decca. Wonder whether those will appear on SACD.

Post by Beagle January 9, 2006 (4 of 30)
nickc said:
to me Chopin and Debussy are the two composers that wrote the most "idiomatically"

Quite. 'Idiomatically' is a good word for it. But pray tell, what composer DOESN'T write idiomatically for the keyboard (given the ubiquity of childhood piano lessons)? I don't know if that is a rhetorical or an answerable question, but it is probably a silly question.

And on the eternal topic of wishing for recordings: Why not Uchida's Mozart Klaviersonates in SACD? The RBCD set are my favourite Mozart.

Post by akiralx January 11, 2006 (5 of 30)
Peter said:

I seem to remember Freire is recording the Brahms concerti in Leipzig with Chailly for Decca. Wonder whether those will appear on SACD.

I hope so, but doubt it. I will be hearing Freire play the D minor in Geneva in March, with l'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande under Schonwandt. Think he makes the recording around that time too.

Post by Claude January 11, 2006 (6 of 30)
Will we see any new Decca/Philips SACDs (not taking into account Mercury reissues)? Since April 2005 they have only released one title (Bartok Concerto for orchestra with Ozawa, in November)

Post by DSD January 11, 2006 (7 of 30)
Claude said:

Will we see any new Decca/Philips SACDs (not taking into account Mercury reissues)? Since April 2005 they have only released one title (Bartok Concerto for orchestra with Ozawa, in November)

And why did Philips choose Ozawa's Bartok Concerto for Orchestra & Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta? Which is going head to head with the much cheaper Reiner on RCA Living Stereo SACD which also includes Hungarian Pictures. With the Reiner available I cannot imagine anyone buying this SACD. At least the upcoming Telarc SACD of Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra includes 2 new works to SACD: Lutoslawski's wonderful Concerto for Orchestra and Fanfare for Louisville.

Post by ramesh January 11, 2006 (8 of 30)
Beagle said:

Quite. 'Idiomatically' is a good word for it. But pray tell, what composer DOESN'T write idiomatically for the keyboard (given the ubiquity of childhood piano lessons)?

But, performance-wise, David Helfgott plays quite idiotmatically for the piano. What an advert for the Sydney conservatoire, or wherever he got his piano lessons. It would be good to get a jazz combo of, Helfgott on or under the piano, Bill Clinton on saxophone, Woody Allen clarinet. Haven't worked out whether Andre Previn, Monica or Paavo Järvi should turn the pages.


The Ozawa Bartok was probably meant for the installed base of Japanese classical fans, but was given international release. There seems to be plenty of Japanese classical recordings with local artists which never get distributed outside of Japan.

Post by Beagle January 11, 2006 (9 of 30)
The Ozawa Bartok was probably meant for the installed base of Japanese classical fans, but was given international release. There seems to be plenty of Japanese classical recordings with local artists which never get distributed outside of Japan.
Hmm, I had to think about that one for a moment... I had COMPLETELY forgotten that Ozawa is a japanese name. I seem to have shared his trajectory from San Francisco to Toronto, and always knew him as 'a local'.

Be that as it may, here we have another case of "the same damned thing again" -- while other marvelous Bartók repertoire is condemned to the outer darkness of corporate neglect. Grumble, grumble.... Surely even the Nihon purchase Mercury Living Presence. Thank heavens (Pentatone) for the inclusion of Bela's Divertimento on the Britten/Hartmann/Bartók disc.

Anyone else care to participate in a "Non-Hissy-fit Bartók Thread" and let the warhorse-recycling industry know that there is an interest in a broader repertoire???

Post by Edvin January 11, 2006 (10 of 30)
DSD said:

And why did Philips choose Ozawa's Bartok Concerto for Orchestra & Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta? Which is going head to head with the much cheaper Reiner on RCA Living Stereo SACD which also includes Hungarian Pictures. With the Reiner available I cannot imagine anyone buying this SACD. At least the upcoming Telarc SACD of Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra includes 2 new works to SACD: Lutoslawski's wonderful Concerto for Orchestra and Fanfare for Louisville.

They could have coupled the Lutoslwski with Elgar´s Enigma instead. And changed the conductor to someone with an ounce of talent. Järvi..good grief.

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