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Discussion: Vivaldi: La Stravaganza - Podger/Arte Dei Suonatori

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Post by xantyago December 16, 2006 (11 of 21)
Have you noticed one or two notes which sound a little bit strange in the second concerto, first movement (track 4 in the disc), around minute 1:04?
I would say it is out of tune, but maybe Vivaldi did it that way.
I had never listened to this concerto before, so I don't really know how it should sound, but I'd bet that there's something wrong there.

Any opinions?

Otherwise, I think do like the sound and I'm not surprised that it's one of the most recommended sacd discs.

Post by Polly Nomial December 16, 2006 (12 of 21)
xantyago said:

Have you noticed one or two notes which sound a little bit strange in the second concerto, first movement (track 4 in the disc), around minute 1:04?
I would say it is out of tune, but maybe Vivaldi did it that way.
I had never listened to this concerto before, so I don't really know how it should sound, but I'd bet that there's something wrong there.

Any opinions?

Otherwise, I think do like the sound and I'm not surprised that it's one of the most recommended sacd discs.

Xantyago,

I've listened to this and I don't find anything out of tune nor unusual in the music; there are more embellishments to the solo line than would have been normal 10+ years ago but that's about it.

I agree that this is a fabulous set (as are many releases of Channel Classics).

Regards

PN

Post by ramesh December 16, 2006 (13 of 21)
I have just bought the excellent new BIS recording of the 'Four Seasons' with recorder solo. This uses the same Polish broque group as the Channel, recorded in the same church. After some comparative listening, I'll do a review of the BIS SACD some time next week.

Post by channel December 16, 2006 (14 of 21)
Karlosak said:

While I agree that this otherwise fine disc suffers a bit from close miking and poor dynamics, it would be simply false to say that other Channel Classics discs are much, much worse. This disc and few more are rather exception. Just listen to the fabulous recording Lux Aeterna by the vocal ensemble The Gents - exceptionally broad dynamic range (some climaxes are even too much on headphones) and great sense of space.

As to the popularity of this disc and many accolades it has received - the plain nature of the music goes really well with the recording technique used. Exciting and powerful interpretations combined with immediate and detailed recording promise an electrifying experience. Should the recording be more natural and laid back, the magic and drive might be simply broken.

Dear Kalrosak,
After 3 years there is still a discussion about this recording! Great.
You have put into words exactly what we were trying to accomplish. This music does not need another recording like 'I Musici.' all very nice but no emotion!
This is Vivaldi and not Haydn.
The large church in question in Poland on top of it all is all made of stone with very strong reflections so actually I had no choice but to go in closer. But before we actually started the recording, we (all the musicians) all agreed that this would work. Rachel was conducting and playing - facing the ensemble. so she also had to be in close to the group making it difficult for me to separate her sound from the rest.
I am surprised about there remark of not having any dynamics, even with the downsampling to 44.1 for the CD layer, I still feel that there is great dynamic range. Maybe I should go and listen to the cd layer again some time.
Jared Sacks

Post by ramesh December 16, 2006 (15 of 21)
Jared,
if you buy the new BIS Vivaldi SACD made in the same church, there is a session photograph. The players here are grouped in a small circle, with the soloist ( recorder ) opposite the harpsichord.

Post by Jim Stoneburner April 21, 2012 (16 of 21)
I have the same 19 tracks on CD1 as CD2. Same music, same number of tracks.
So I need to exchange it or buy another.
Anyone know how to email customer service at Channel Classics?
There is a phone number listed on the website in the Netherlands; I'm in California.

Post by channel April 21, 2012 (17 of 21)
Jim Stoneburner said:

I have the same 19 tracks on CD1 as CD2. Same music, same number of tracks.
So I need to exchange it or buy another.
Anyone know how to email customer service at Channel Classics?
There is a phone number listed on the website in the Netherlands; I'm in California.

Jim,
The factory made this mistake back in 2006! It was impossible to get all the cds
back from around the world.
Please contact our office and we will help you get the correct CD at info@channel.nl

Post by jeff3948 December 22, 2012 (18 of 21)
This is a comment of the Review by Beagle December 6, 2005 where he said
"If you were wondering which SACD recording of the Four Seasons to buy, or if you are a Rocker and think Music by Dead Guys is vaguely suited to funerals, or if you want to convince a potential mate that you have descriminating taste, or if you want to convince your present mate that all those dollars spent on SACD stuff are a worthwhile investment, or if you want to convince a friend that his/her CDs are So-Last-Century, or even if the latest medical tests indicate a potentially serious problem, then stop your fretting and buy and play this heaven-sent recording."

Vivaldi's La Stravaganza Op.4 set (which your review is about) does not contain the the "Four Seasons" as you mentioned in your review.

Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" is contained in the set called "Il Cimento dell’Armonia e dell’Invenzione", Op. 8 Nos. 1-4.

If you are looking for a superb "Four Seasons" on SACD multi-channel sound I recommend this one by Stefano Montanari, solo violin with the Accademia Bizantina directed by Ottavio Dantone: Vivaldi: Il Cimento dell’Armonia e dell’Invenzione Vol. 1 - Dantone

Jeff

Post by Nagraboy December 22, 2012 (19 of 21)
jeff3948 said:

This is a comment of the Review by Beagle December 6, 2005 where he said
"If you were wondering which SACD recording of the Four Seasons to buy, or if you are a Rocker and think Music by Dead Guys is vaguely suited to funerals, or if you want to convince a potential mate that you have descriminating taste, or if you want to convince your present mate that all those dollars spent on SACD stuff are a worthwhile investment, or if you want to convince a friend that his/her CDs are So-Last-Century, or even if the latest medical tests indicate a potentially serious problem, then stop your fretting and buy and play this heaven-sent recording."

Vivaldi's La Stravaganza Op.4 set (which your review is about) does not contain the the "Four Seasons" as you mentioned in your review.

Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" is contained in the set called "Il Cimento dell’Armonia e dell’Invenzione", Op. 8 Nos. 1-4.

If you are looking for a superb "Four Seasons" on SACD multi-channel sound I recommend this one by Stefano Montanari, solo violin with the Accademia Bizantina directed by Ottavio Dantone: Vivaldi: Il Cimento dell’Armonia e dell’Invenzione Vol. 1 - Dantone

Jeff

I think Beagle was suggesting this title as further listening for people who only know Vivaldi through the Four Seasons. That's what I inferred anyway.

Post by Beagle December 22, 2012 (20 of 21)
Nagraboy said:

I think Beagle was suggesting this title as further listening for people who only know Vivaldi through the Four Seasons. That's what I inferred anyway.

Exactly, thank you Greg. In my excitement over this recording I may not have expressed myself as clearly as should have. I don't listen to Vivaldi too often (it's like a rich dessert) but this recording got played earlier this week and it still pleases us immensely. Incidentally, we have just moved from "the big farmhouse in the country" to "the small chalet on the lake", and this recording made the smaller space feel quite generous and comfortable.


If I were in the mood for Le quattro stagioni, I'd play Vivaldi: The Four Seasons, Piazzolla - Lara St. John -- and no doubt will when spring comes. Still, I never cease to wish that some label would issue a SACD with EMI's 1976 mind-blowing rendition by the New Koto Ensemble of Tokyo.

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