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Discussion: Mahler: Symphony No. 10 - Zinman

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Post by Peter October 21, 2010 (1 of 36)
UK buyers - do be careful. The SACD is not being sold locally, just the bog-standard CD.

Amazon UK imports the SACD.

Message received:

Hello there
Thank you for your email. As far as we have been informed, this is a
normal CD - there does seem to be a SACD version with a slightly
different catalogue number but not available in the UK.

Post by zeus October 21, 2010 (2 of 36)
Peter said:

UK buyers - do be careful. The SACD is not being sold locally, just the bog-standard CD.

Amazon UK imports the SACD.

Message received:

Hello there
Thank you for your email. As far as we have been informed, this is a
normal CD - there does seem to be a SACD version with a slightly
different catalogue number but not available in the UK.

All the evidence points to the linked item on amazon.co.uk (serial number 88697768952) being a SA-CD.

Post by hiredfox October 21, 2010 (3 of 36)
From my reading of the situation this SACD has not yet been released. In fact the 9th is not widely available yet.

Post by Peter October 21, 2010 (4 of 36)
zeus said:

All the evidence points to the linked item on amazon.co.uk (serial number 88697768952) being a SA-CD.

Indeed - this is the only UK-based operation offering the SACD to my knowledge. Apologies if my earlier post was unclear.

Amazon's UK price may well drop a bit - the standard CD is available for pre-order at £7.99

Post by breydon_music October 21, 2010 (5 of 36)
zeus said:

All the evidence points to the linked item on amazon.co.uk (serial number 88697768952) being a SA-CD.

If a vendor quotes the catalogue number the above is indeed the SACD - the standard CD replaces the penultimate "5" with a "6".

Post by SteelyTom June 10, 2011 (6 of 36)
Anyone with an informal review of this? The print reviews seem quite negative, but I'm not certain to what degree this reflects a dislike of the Carpenter score. I've got the Cooke performing version on RBCD-- is the Carpenter worth getting?

Post by wehecht June 10, 2011 (7 of 36)
SteelyTom said:

Anyone with an informal review of this? The print reviews seem quite negative, but I'm not certain to what degree this reflects a dislike of the Carpenter score. I've got the Cooke performing version on RBCD-- is the Carpenter worth getting?

I have rbcds of each iteration of Cooke as well as Mazetti and Carpenter (and there's still an old Ormandy/Cooke I lp hanging around somewhere in the house). The new Zinman/Carpenter is my only version in sacd (the Exton/Sieghart is the Samale/Mazzuca completion which I've never heard and between price and availability I'm not likely to hear it anytime soon). Carpenter isn't the version I'd pick if Cooke or Mazetti were available on sacd but they're not and I've enjoyed my time with Zinman's recording. The orchestration is thicker than the others, and there's lots of extra percussion, so that the piece seems less spare and anguished. The performance and recording both seem fine to me and I'd certainly recommend taking a flyer on it if you're undecided, especially considering the low cost from the site's US vendors.

Post by tream June 10, 2011 (8 of 36)
wehecht said:

I have rbcds of each iteration of Cooke as well as Mazetti and Carpenter (and there's still an old Ormandy/Cooke I lp hanging around somewhere in the house). The new Zinman/Carpenter is my only version in sacd (the Exton/Sieghart is the Samale/Mazzuca completion which I've never heard and between price and availability I'm not likely to hear it anytime soon). Carpenter isn't the version I'd pick if Cooke or Mazetti were available on sacd but they're not and I've enjoyed my time with Zinman's recording. The orchestration is thicker than the others, and there's lots of extra percussion, so that the piece seems less spare and anguished. The performance and recording both seem fine to me and I'd certainly recommend taking a flyer on it if you're undecided, especially considering the low cost from the site's US vendors.

I managed to snag both the Zinman and the Sieghart, and I also have the Wyn Morris version of Cooke II, on LP, and my sense is that the Carpenter version is less idomatic than the other two, and that Zinman is less effective in presenting Mahler's 10th than the other two conductors....but this is a preliminary view. I still think we need a version of Cooke III from a top notch conductor.

Post by SteelyTom June 10, 2011 (9 of 36)
Thanks so much for the feedback! I'm curious about the Carpenter version (does he mess with the first movement at all?), and I can snag the Zinman at a soon-to-expire Borders here in Boston for about $8, so it's a low-risk purchase. I have Inbal and Sanderling in other versions of 10, so absent the low price, I'd probably pass-- I like both of those recordings.

Post by seth June 10, 2011 (10 of 36)
SteelyTom said:

Thanks so much for the feedback! I'm curious about the Carpenter version (does he mess with the first movement at all?), and I can snag the Zinman at a soon-to-expire Borders here in Boston for about $8, so it's a low-risk purchase. I have Inbal and Sanderling in other versions of 10, so absent the low price, I'd probably pass-- I like both of those recordings.

Carpenter did edit the first movement and added a bunch of percussion.

Mahler didn't leave the Adagio nearly as "finished" as a lot of people imply. There are numerous edited versions of it, but today, most people use the "critical Mahler edition" for performances of just the Adagio movement.

As an interesting side note, I believe that the Szell recording of the Adagio is the only recorded version of the Krenek edition that for decades was pretty much the only performing version of the movement.

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