Thread: The Fantasy World of some SA-CD. net posters

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Post by sordidman February 8, 2010 (111 of 145)
That is simply a great post..........

Post by emaidel February 8, 2010 (112 of 145)
rammiepie said:

I stand accused.......but the ingluorious basterds shall never conquer because I have something special they'll never have........a F++CKING awesome sound and video system (actually 5) that they can only dream about! And there's nothing remotely "ignorant" about that. I'd rather have the genuine Stradivarius than the Chinese knockoff which sounds "exactly" like the Strad because it's worth much more. Because ultimately, Sound Really Matters. When you take cheap pot shots at a true audiophile, you're only shooting blanks. I rest my case!

I stand with you. This harkens back to the days when Stereo Review and High Fidelity magazines each said that all amplifiers sounded alike. Then, they, and in particular, Consumer Reports, stated that all CD players sounded alike. History has proven all of them wrong, but they still have their steadfast, stalwart supporters.

There is no question that the prices of the ultra high-end equipment available today borders on outright insanity, but to dismiss ALL high end stuff as nothing other than the efforts of a greedy salesman, or greedy audio company trying to peddle snake oil is both outrageous, insulting and the epitome of complete and total ignorance. People who insist that such equipment does nothing usually have never HEARD any of the equipment they're criticizing, but are relying on old, and stubborn beliefs. It all boils down to the age-old, "Don't confuse me with facts, because my mind is made up." Too bad for them.

Post by jullepoika February 8, 2010 (113 of 145)
emaidel said:

but to dismiss ALL high end stuff as nothing other than the efforts of a greedy salesman, or greedy audio company trying to peddle snake oil is both outrageous, insulting and the epitome of complete and total ignorance.

I wish to make one important statement: All my posts are about CD/SACD transports, which only read (computer) data disks and send the digital data down a spdif or HDMI cable like any $30 CD-ROM or DVD-ROM reader. This is not sound, it is just a list of electric measurements.

DACs, preamps, power amps and especially speakers have differences in quality which at least partly correlate with the price, within reason.

Post by stvnharr February 8, 2010 (114 of 145)
jullepoika said:

I wish to make one important statement: All my posts are about CD/SACD transports, which only read (computer) data disks and send the digital data down a spdif or HDMI cable like any $30 CD-ROM or DVD-ROM reader. This is not sound, it is just a list of electric measurements.

DACs, preamps, power amps and especially speakers have differences in quality which at least partly correlate with the price, within reason.

So, you are waging war against the expensive Esoteric transports are you? Why?
Nobody is forced to buy them. They are only in a very few select players, available to those who want and can afford them.
Almost all CD/SACD transports are of the low cost variety.

Post by Paul Clark February 8, 2010 (115 of 145)
rammiepie said:

...the ingluorious basterds shall never conquer because I have something special they'll never have........a F++CKING awesome sound and video system (actually 5) that they can only dream about!

I heard dealing in diisopropyltryptamine is a lucritive business in audiophile circles. This would explain the perceived ability to hear sounds above 17KHz by Audio Savants.

Post by rammiepie February 8, 2010 (116 of 145)
Paul Clark said:

I heard dealing in diisopropyltryptamine is a lucritive business in audiophile circles. This would explain the perceived ability to hear sounds above 17KHz by Audio Savants.

I have one better: Antidisestablishmentarianism. And anything you can do I can do better........as my transports transport me to places where your transport cannot! So there! Can your transport Teleport?
I thought not!!! But one thing is for certain: your Roget Thesarus is better than your CD/SACD transport!

Post by canonical February 12, 2010 (117 of 145)
déjà vu

Post by sordidman February 12, 2010 (118 of 145)
onestone said:

Disk transport is still part of this non-audio signal storage/read/processing section and there the signal is not "sound", just bunch of data, measurement data, to be exact. For that reason any transport unit which claims to do wonders to the sound is an impossibility, or it is not doing what it is supposed to do: read the data and send it down the cable as it is. For that purpose any working reader is just as good: perfect.

From DAC forward we are back on the "audiophile" ground again.

No,

Incorrect, - it is 1s and 0s in time. And, there are things called "read errors"

A transport that contains minimal wobble, like the oversized magnesium disc of the VRDS-NEO; simply has fewer read errors, and more information at the correct time gets to the DtoA conversion section.

What were the results of your listening tests? If you haven't heard it, - then whatever you say about it pales to experience.

Post by rammiepie February 12, 2010 (119 of 145)
sordidman said:

No,

Incorrect, - it is 1s and 0s in time. And, there are things called "read errors"

A transport that contains minimal wobble, like the oversized magnesium disc of the VRDS-NEO; simply has fewer read errors, and more information at the correct time gets to the DtoA conversion section.

What were the results of your listening tests? If you haven't heard it, - then whatever you say about it pales to experience.

Absolutely agreed! If posters would use their ears and stop depending on charts and graphs and/or the exotic price of hardware (and REALLY took the time to do actual comparisons) they would not only hear the sonic difference (and sometimes, NOT so subtle) but revel in the three~dimensionality and tactile subtleties that cheap components could ONLY HINT AT!

Post by Paul Clark February 12, 2010 (120 of 145)
The CD/DVD player in my H1 Hummer works perfectly, without "read errors", while the vehicle is bouncing along NYC road rutts.

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