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Discussion: Mahler: Symphony No. 4 - Fischer

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Post by krisjan March 26, 2009 (101 of 221)
David Hurwitz has prasied the Fischer/Mahler 4.

http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=12151

Post by pgmdir March 26, 2009 (102 of 221)
Edvin said:

Dear Jared.

Yes, you are biased and you sound like Robert do when he discusses his own recordings.
You mention the "organ" sound in the finale as something you haven't heard before and maybe the reason for this is that it is not what Mahler wanted. Surely some conductor or other would have played it that way during the symphony's long history.

Today I read David Gutman's review in Gramophone and was relieved to see that I am not alone in finding Fischer's approach to hung up on details. He finishes his review with a question: "Is Mahler's emotive force blunted by Fischer's careful manicure?" My answer is yes. Because in Fischer's music making I can't see the forest for the trees.

Regards,
Thomas Roth

I congratulate Edvin for being willing to state his feelings--- as he usually is. I think most of us see Gutman's review a bit more positively, especially for Gramophone. And most of us who have heard this recording seem to be telling lots of others about it. Something must work, because I can't remember another Mahler 4 getting this much positive discussion. I am not willing to say that anyone should like this recording as much as I do, I am just saying that this performance puts my other ten recordings in the shade.

Post by Cherubino March 27, 2009 (103 of 221)
This quote from Ivan Fischer:

“There is a unique purity and transparency in Mahler’s 4th Symphony. The enchanting slay bells take us to his inner child, to his dreams of angels, fairy tales, angst and pure, divine love."

Slay bells? Sounds ominous. Perhaps that's how he got to heaven.

Post by channel March 28, 2009 (104 of 221)
Cherubino said:

This quote from Ivan Fischer:

“There is a unique purity and transparency in Mahler’s 4th Symphony. The enchanting slay bells take us to his inner child, to his dreams of angels, fairy tales, angst and pure, divine love."

Slay bells? Sounds ominous. Perhaps that's how he got to heaven.

Indeed with the text from Ivan, this mistake slipped through. Maybe it was meant to be!

Post by Briswest April 3, 2009 (105 of 221)
I just found this website after doing a Google search on Mahler 6/Fischer/SACD. The reason? I just yesterday received my order from Amazon.com for the Mahler Symphony 6 on Channel Classics, and was disappointed to discover that I was sent the regular CD version (ie. not the hybrid SACD). I had previously purchased the Channel Classics Symphony 2, and was delighted with it. I was not even aware that this recording was available as a normal CD. What is the purpose of it, given that the SACD is a hybrid disk? I then did a check search on Amazon, and could not find the SACD version at all. Admittedly, the recording is listed on Amazon as a 'CD', so I guess I need to take more care in future, but I thought I'd post this as a caution to others buying on-line....never assume anything, and check the details before hitting the 'Buy Now' button! By the way...I've played the disk, and like the Mahler 2, it's a stunning recording....lots of air around the players and a palpable sense of being in the space. I've never heard so much detail in the score. Despite not being the SACD version, it would probably be the best-recorded version of the work in my collection (and I have many!) As far as the performance is concerned, I'm perlexed by the luke-warm review it received from David Gutman in the Gramophone magazine, who described it as 'light-weight'......not an opinion I could endorse.

Post by Peter April 3, 2009 (106 of 221)
Briswest said:

I just found this website after doing a Google search on Mahler 6/Fischer/SACD. The reason? I just yesterday received my order from Amazon.com for the Mahler Symphony 6 on Channel Classics, and was disappointed to discover that I was sent the regular CD version (ie. not the hybrid SACD).

Is your disc CCSSA22905?

Post by Windsurfer April 3, 2009 (107 of 221)
Briswest said:

I just found this website after doing a Google search on Mahler 6/Fischer/SACD. The reason? I just yesterday received my order from Amazon.com for the Mahler Symphony 6 on Channel Classics, and was disappointed to discover that I was sent the regular CD version (ie. not the hybrid SACD). I had previously purchased the Channel Classics Symphony 2, and was delighted with it. I was not even aware that this recording was available as a normal CD. What is the purpose of it, given that the SACD is a hybrid disk? I then did a check search on Amazon, and could not find the SACD version at all. Admittedly, the recording is listed on Amazon as a 'CD', so I guess I need to take more care in future, but I thought I'd post this as a caution to others buying on-line....never assume anything, and check the details before hitting the 'Buy Now' button! By the way...I've played the disk, and like the Mahler 2, it's a stunning recording....lots of air around the players and a palpable sense of being in the space. I've never heard so much detail in the score. Despite not being the SACD version, it would probably be the best-recorded version of the work in my collection (and I have many!) As far as the performance is concerned, I'm perlexed by the luke-warm review it received from David Gutman in the Gramophone magazine, who described it as 'light-weight'......not an opinion I could endorse.

Are you referring to Symphony #6 or Symphony #4 where you mention Gutman's review?

Post by Peter April 3, 2009 (108 of 221)
Windsurfer said:

Are you referring to Symphony #6 or Symphony #4 where you mention Gutman's review?

If it is No.4 then the number should be CCS SA 26109.

If you have CCSSA it is a hybrid SACD, or a pirated fake, something amazon.com wouldn't sell.

Did you buy from amazon itself or an amazon seller?

Post by Kal Rubinson April 3, 2009 (109 of 221)
Briswest said:

I just found this website after doing a Google search on Mahler 6/Fischer/SACD. The reason? I just yesterday received my order from Amazon.com for the Mahler Symphony 6 on Channel Classics, and was disappointed to discover that I was sent the regular CD version (ie. not the hybrid SACD). I had previously purchased the Channel Classics Symphony 2, and was delighted with it. I was not even aware that this recording was available as a normal CD. What is the purpose of it, given that the SACD is a hybrid disk? I then did a check search on Amazon, and could not find the SACD version at all. Admittedly, the recording is listed on Amazon as a 'CD', so I guess I need to take more care in future, but I thought I'd post this as a caution to others buying on-line....never assume anything, and check the details before hitting the 'Buy Now' button! By the way...I've played the disk, and like the Mahler 2, it's a stunning recording....lots of air around the players and a palpable sense of being in the space. I've never heard so much detail in the score. Despite not being the SACD version, it would probably be the best-recorded version of the work in my collection (and I have many!) As far as the performance is concerned, I'm perlexed by the luke-warm review it received from David Gutman in the Gramophone magazine, who described it as 'light-weight'......not an opinion I could endorse.

AFAIK, Channnel Classics is single-inventory and makes hybrid SACDs and no CDs of the SACD releases.

Kal

Post by channel April 3, 2009 (110 of 221)
Peter said:

If it is No.4 then the number should be CCS SA 26109.

If you have CCSSA it is a hybrid SACD, or a pirated fake, something amazon.com wouldn't sell.

Did you buy from amazon itself or an amazon seller?

The mahler 6th was the last time I did double inventory. (if the numbers end in '98', then it was a pcm version. all sacd end in the year that it comes out.
Mahler 4 is only in SACD. Sorry that this has happened.
jared

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