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Post by seth August 25, 2008 (391 of 4131)
bissie said:

Still don't understand. Regardless of your machine, SOMEWHERE the signal must be translated to an analogue signal, as otherwise you wouldn't hear much. That's the point whence you copy it to your iPod. I could see the problem, if you would like to copy a single-layer MCh release, but, since these are stereo-only, it should be OK.

Best - Robert

Robert:

It's very simple: I want to be able to copy the contents of *any* SACD I buy to my iPod by placing the disc into the CD/DVD drive in my computer and copy the contents of the disc into iTunes. In-lieu of being able to do that, I would settle for being able to download the music.

I don't have the equipment to copy a SACD by running the audio out from my SACD player into my computer or DAT recorder. And even if I did, I wouldn't spend the time doing it.

I'm trying to help you here by telling you what it would take to get me to purchase SACD layer only releases.


-Seth

Post by Claude August 25, 2008 (392 of 4131)
I guess the number of people who buy such single layer SACDs and who also want to copy the music to a portable player must be rather small.

But anyway, the solution would be to offer MP3 downloads to those who bought the SACD. A number of pop vinyl labels are doing this. This requires some form of buyer identification of course. The labels either put individually numbered coupons with download access codes into the LP sleeves, or they provide downloads only to those who order the LPs from their website.

Even better would be to offer lossless downloads. But then, why release 16/44 PCM stereo recordings on SACD when files with the same quality could be sold as downloads ...

Post by Peter August 25, 2008 (393 of 4131)
Besides, all these recordings are available on regular CDs as well.

Post by Peter August 25, 2008 (394 of 4131)
Claude said:

Even better would be to offer lossless downloads. But then, why release 16/44 PCM stereo recordings on SACD when files with the same quality could be sold as downloads ...

...unless the SACD is a bargain purchase as these are. I'd far rather have the one SACD than download all those files, burn CDRs and back up all the files (twice). In the time all that takes I could make an analogue copy of the SACD for my portable player were I so minded to.

Peter

Post by Claude August 25, 2008 (395 of 4131)
Burning downloads to audio CDs is inconvenient indeed. But that's an obsolote activity if you have "modern" audio hardware. I understand that in the current transitional period many people are not used to playing music files at home (on the PC, a streaming server, a games console, etc), but that will change as more living room friendly (and audiophile) playback hardware becomes available.

Backup also has become much easier and inexpensive, as hard drive space has dramatically gone down in cost. It is already cheaper than DVD-R space, not to speak of burning music on audio CD-Rs. A $150 1000GB hard drive will accomodate ca 3000 music CDs (lossless compression). For another $150 you can have a full back up.

Already today, you can listen to and back up your downloads with just a few mouse clicks, because it doesn't require burning CD-Rs/DVD-Rs.

Post by Peter August 25, 2008 (396 of 4131)
Claude, you're probably right in all respects. However, my broadband download speeds aren't fast enough, yet. Hmmm. Actually, if forced to download everything, I'd buy very little more, and be satisfied with what I've got.

No, what I hope for won't rely on downloads - a high quality stream, from a huge library with monthly subscription, into my equipment would be quite acceptable. Although these exist, at the moment the quality isn't there. I do know of at least one school which subscribes to the Naxos version, allowing every member of staff and every pupil access.

I'll miss the booklets, though not the jewel cases or digipaks.

Peter

Post by Jay-dub August 25, 2008 (397 of 4131)
bissie said:


don't understand. Why don't you copy the analogue signal to your iPod? With the inbuilt quality decrease of the iPod the very small degradation will not be noticeable.

What? The inbuilt quality decrease of the iPod is quite slight. If you dock your iPod to a good stereo and listen to lossless files, it adds some noise compared to a good CD player, but doesn't really sound any worse than most cheap DVD players. (Listening to 128kbps files over the included earbuds is of course another matter.) People would have to have a fairly good A-D converter to introduce less degradation. Besides, CD's can be ripped much faster than real time, and the clean digital signal helps make compression more efficient.

Post by Peter August 25, 2008 (398 of 4131)
Claude, a PS.

Streaming from a library can only work with better broadband connections. In many parts of the world broadband is too expensive now, and there is the worry that availability of all and any music solely over the net would disenfranchise an enormous population.

Meantime, here's a nice review:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2008/Aug08/Kempf_bissacd1580.htm

Peter

Post by bissie August 29, 2008 (399 of 4131)
Transfer from another thread. Question was: does a label sell even 10'000 copies of a new SACD or words to that effect. Answer:



Even? EVEN?????
To sell 10'000 of any classical album world-wide is a GREAT result for a classical label, not that often achieved. If achieved, it has far more to do with the artists and music than the medium, on which it is presented.
But you're right in one way. Strictly speaking an orchestral SACD has to sell in that region to break even, especially if sold at the same price as a RBCD. At BIS, we're relying on a back catalogue, which goes back 35 years (we never delete anything) to support the largely loss-making SACD investment of today. We would be financially much better off without SACD. However, we cherish our customers and want to give them the best.
We would have liked to see, however, the SACD community appreciate this slightly more, that I must say.

Best - Robert

Post by DSD August 30, 2008 (400 of 4131)
bissie said:

Transfer from another thread. Question was: does a label sell even 10'000 copies of a new SACD or words to that effect. Answer:



Even? EVEN?????
To sell 10'000 of any classical album world-wide is a GREAT result for a classical label, not that often achieved. If achieved, it has far more to do with the artists and music than the medium, on which it is presented.
But you're right in one way. Strictly speaking an orchestral SACD has to sell in that region to break even, especially if sold at the same price as a RBCD. At BIS, we're relying on a back catalogue, which goes back 35 years (we never delete anything) to support the largely loss-making SACD investment of today. We would be financially much better off without SACD. However, we cherish our customers and want to give them the best.
We would have liked to see, however, the SACD community appreciate this slightly more, that I must say.

Best - Robert

I really love your Edvard Grieg series and have just purchased the Liszt Piano Concertos. BIS SACDs provide me supreme enjoyment from their 2 channel SACD layer. Just wanted to let you know you have 2 channel high resolution fans in addition to your multi-channel high resolution fans.

I do appreciate the dedicated 2 channel high resolution program and wanted to thank you for that as some companies seem to give the 2 channel high resolution program second shift.

While I got your ear I would love to have Carl Neilsen's Aladdin Suite on SACD.

Thanks for the great SACDs,
Teresa

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