Thread: RIAA 2005 Year-End Statistics

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Post by zeus April 3, 2006 (11 of 28)
DrZhivago said:

... few remaining Columbia jazz (single layer) discs.

Get them while you can. I notice that some of the Japan-only Columbias are now showing as "Sold Out" on Sony Music Japan's site.

Post by Daland April 4, 2006 (12 of 28)
The RIAA statistics only account for SACDs released by member organizations (see RIAA website), i.e. the "majors" and their affiliates. Companies like Telarc, Pentatone, Channel, Linn, Chandos, Capriccio etc. are not included. Moreover, hybrids are classified as CDs to avoid double-counting. Most importantly, on-line sales are not covered by these statistics either.

In sum, the statistics are quite meaningless.

According to the annual report just published by the German equivalent of RIAA only 400,000 DVD-Audios and Super Audio CDs (they are lumped together) were sold in Germany last year. But here again, there is no indication of how representative these figures are (only German labels?), how hybrids are counted or if on-line sales are included.

Post by Jan April 4, 2006 (13 of 28)
Hi,

I agree, these statistics are useless for anyone who supports SACD. The numbers could be misinterpreted and misused by people, if they are not as suspicious as this forums users. So therefore it would be of the highest interest to dig out more exact statistics concerning the (supposed) SACD growth. Maybe we could become relative growth numbers from specialist retailers and labels. In addition, consideration of the market share of these specialists would be necessary.

Regards

Jan

Post by The Seventh Taylor May 5, 2008 (14 of 28)
Judging by the numbers, I presume the mistake of not including hybrid SACD numbers is perpetuated. Here are the 2007 numbers:

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6556315.html

"In dollars, vinyl records (albums and singles combined) continued to outsell combined sales of DVD-Audio and SACD discs. Vinyl sales in 2007 were $26.9 million compared to DVD-Audio/SACD sales of $6.4 million."

A shame the organisation continues to spread such misinformation, really.

Post by Perigo May 6, 2008 (15 of 28)
The Seventh Taylor said:

Judging by the numbers, I presume the mistake of not including hybrid SACD numbers is perpetuated. Here are the 2007 numbers:
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6556315.html
A shame the organisation continues to spread such misinformation, really.

You know, the analogist lobby seems to be very strong and influent indeed on RIAA headquarters.
The results are here, with the false information about the sales of SACD discs.
The true sales for SACD are in hybrid discs but RIAA decides, once more again, to put it with CD sales. I feel it like a trick to help someone....
Who? Analogist lobby, in my humble opinion.

Post by Julien May 6, 2008 (16 of 28)
The Seventh Taylor said:

Judging by the numbers, I presume the mistake of not including hybrid SACD numbers is perpetuated.

How can you be sure of that? Obvisouly the number of vinyl users/lovers is a lot higher than SACD's. We shouldn't be blind on the reality. Think of the whole hip-hop industry, to mention only one style, that mixes and scratches on vinyl. Even though it's not as big as pop, it is a big market.

Post by raffells May 6, 2008 (17 of 28)
Julien said:

How can you be sure of that? Obvisouly the number of vinyl users/lovers is a lot higher than SACD's. We shouldn't be blind on the reality. Think of the whole hip-hop industry, to mention only one style, that mixes and scratches on vinyl. Even though it's not as big as pop, it is a big market.

Also look on Amazon/Eebay and see how many items and sales there for vinyl compared with sacd.Its far more than 10 to 1.
I can still get vinyl in bricks/mortar shops even specialist vinyl shops but sacds are almost limited to internet sales for me.

Lies Lies and damn statistics..? Heard that before?..Dave

Post by zeus May 6, 2008 (18 of 28)
Julien said:

How can you be sure of that?

Unless a significant proportion of SA-CD purchases originate from just this site, the figures vastly underestimate the format's revenues. Trust me.

Post by Julien May 6, 2008 (19 of 28)
zeus said:

Unless a significant proportion of SA-CD purchases originate from just this site, the figures vastly underestimate the format's revenues. Trust me.

I want to. But it is just not possible that SACD sales are even half of the vinyl sales globaly. Whatever the numbers.

Post by LivyII May 6, 2008 (20 of 28)
Julien said:

I want to. But it is just not possible that SACD sales are even half of the vinyl sales globaly. Whatever the numbers.

I agree with this. Vinyl is regularly produced with many rock albums, along with the obvious hip-hop and r&b genres. SA-CD is just not doing that.

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